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Sep 27, 2009

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A well written analysis. Not being a woman, it's hard for me to catch the essence of those 12th-century feminine fires...the depth of meaning there. But I'm a human being, so I can share in anyone's sense of being repressed or ostracized.

Anu: The disruption in the narrative of the body for which Akkamahadevi so simply and clearly leads the way, is astounding in its near complete silencing of women being able to talk directly about their bodies. This loss in vocabulary has contributed to it being relegating to some unnamable entity buried in layers of modesty, which are but, neat guises for the society's spin that continues to put women in ever reducing spaces, to be free as humans. 

Your first point in the above paragraph is saying Akkamahadevi is somehow the root of the reason why women are silent from being able to talk about their bodies. Really? Big leap, don't you think? Or are you being rhetoric? : -)

The second point is a bit perplexing. Perplexing not because it is false, but saying it that way, that it is "society's spin to put women in ever reducing spaces, to be free as humans," just kills the conversation. I've read this similar point being made in a few blogs. Often women in Indian blogs bemoan this very same point but I was never convinced they were speaking from an insight, just out of frustration.

The point about subjecting women to unreasonable constraints in the name of modesty (which happens all the time) is not in question. But bodies, physical bodies, almost always recall sexuality and that is a charged mine.

When it comes to figuring out why their freedoms are restricted (such as being stared at when caught in a wrong place, a simplistic example), both women and men have this unavoidable problem of distinguishing whether it is because of their gender or is it just a human condition.

If a man goes to an evening party in his pajamas, he will be stared at not because he is a man in pajamas, but that they see a person in pajamas at an evening party. If a woman has existential questions about her body, is it because she is a woman or is it that these questions do occur to men also, but that they just don't speak about it.

I am way too simplifying the issue but my point is: how can one make a leap into a political sphere of power (over women, in your above quote) without connecting the dots? And the dots that do connect run through that charged mine of sexuality where invariably everything blows up and a particular form of silence ensues. Perhaps that is the particular form of silence which we should talk about and break it, the silence from the awareness of sexuality.

So let me ask a direct question: are women afraid to talk about their bodies because they are afraid of being perceived as immodest, or because they are simply responding to a natural embarrassment we all have in talking about our bodies?

Regards, Crazyfinger

Hi Tim,

Thank you. The depth of meaning/feminine fires as in akkamahadevi’s case is terribly out of reach for us women too, even in the 21st century. For, she never meant to be a role model, her quest for the supreme love was intensely individualistic, its only we women who pin our aspirations on her. We hope and crave to get some enlightenment into her strengths, like eager children, thinking if we do what the grown ups do, then we are almost all grown up.
But our minds blanch at the thought of discarding material and marital supports. We may sing of her ability to walk naked into an auditorium of learned people and command an audience of 300 to value her intellect and her distinct approach of spiritual pursuit. This is liberating not just for women, but it is also a celebration of the audience –the times. I wonder if any other culture, east or west has a similar luminous personality who was respected in her own time and since, despite the extremely radical approaches to upsetting the norm.

Repression and ostrazition. She had access to truly democratic institutions and attitudes, which are not easily available to us today –we have regressed a plenty since the bhakti period, in gender relations, and pursuits of the mind and spirit. We find ourselves several milestones behind the women of those times.

I wrote this without bothering to give an adequate introduction to the poet or the period. Thinking, that this little virtual space will somehow attract only fellow Indians, who don’t need an introduction to her, as she lives in our collective memory. My sincere apologies. This is a good source for a quick background.

[Crazyfinger]

http://www.ourkarnataka.com/religion/akka_mathapati.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8u_Pxxpr5I&feature=PlayList&p=DB023EA4473CD7F0&index=3&playnext=4&playnext_from=PL

[/Crazyfinger]
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In the embedded vacana, are the deeper meanings/feminine fires as you put it, more or less opaque to you? Would love to know.

CF,
>>Your first point in the above paragraph is saying Akkamahadevi is somehow the root of the reason why women are silent from being able to talk about their bodies. Really? Big leap, don't you think? Or are you being rhetoric? : -)

Akkamahadevi leads the way in giving us a narrative of the body, the disruption there afterwards…… better?

the rest of comment, needs a separate post :) but rest assured i will respond to it.

I think the embedded links in my previous comment did not get through. I am posting it here, please see if you can fix it.

http://www.ourkarnataka.com/religion/akka_mathapati.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8u_Pxxpr5I&feature=PlayList&p=DB023EA4473CD7F0&index=3&playnext=4&playnext_from=PL

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